2022-05-12, 05:02 PM
Hi BMD,
Check out the Orbit Viewer for this one at the CNEOS website. Step through the position in 1-day intervals & imagine that the NEO is 4 days behind the CNEOS's predicted position. Things get really close. Who to believe? As noted, CNEOS is still using the elements from 2016 Nov 22.
I did some checking at MPC & apparently, they do apply perturbations to their elements calculations. Here's the MPC's entry for this NEO: [attachment=2379]
The description of the perturbation info is given on their website here: https://minorplanetcenter.net/iau/info/Perturbers.html
2016 WM1 uses the default perturbation settings shown here:
Some examples of coarse and precise indicators are:
Coarse Precise Perturbers (Mercury-Neptune+...)
M-c 08 Ceres, EM barycenter
M-c 0E Ceres, Earth, Moon
M-p 16 Pallas, Earth, Moon [NOT RECOMMENDED]
M-p 18 Ceres, Pallas, EM barycenter
M-p 1E Ceres, Pallas, Earth, Moon
M-v 38 Ceres, Pallas, Vesta, EM barycenter
M-v 3E Ceres, Pallas, Vesta, Earth, Moon
M-e 78 Ceres, Pallas, Vesta, Eunomia, EM barycenter
M-e 7E Ceres, Pallas, Vesta, Eunomia, Earth, Moon
M-h 39 Ceres, Pallas, Vesta, Hygiea, EM barycenter
The default for Minor Planet Center orbits will henceforth be h (DE403), M-v (coarse) and 38 or 3E (precise, depending on whether the object is an earth-approacher or not). Additional perturbers will be added as necessary.
Hopefully this means that the MPC's elements include perturbations & that they're more accurate than what CNEOS is showing using elements from 2016.
There sure is a lot to learn about these objects. Very fascinating. I have no idea where this thing will be in 4 days.
Phil S.
Check out the Orbit Viewer for this one at the CNEOS website. Step through the position in 1-day intervals & imagine that the NEO is 4 days behind the CNEOS's predicted position. Things get really close. Who to believe? As noted, CNEOS is still using the elements from 2016 Nov 22.
I did some checking at MPC & apparently, they do apply perturbations to their elements calculations. Here's the MPC's entry for this NEO: [attachment=2379]
The description of the perturbation info is given on their website here: https://minorplanetcenter.net/iau/info/Perturbers.html
2016 WM1 uses the default perturbation settings shown here:
Some examples of coarse and precise indicators are:
Coarse Precise Perturbers (Mercury-Neptune+...)
M-c 08 Ceres, EM barycenter
M-c 0E Ceres, Earth, Moon
M-p 16 Pallas, Earth, Moon [NOT RECOMMENDED]
M-p 18 Ceres, Pallas, EM barycenter
M-p 1E Ceres, Pallas, Earth, Moon
M-v 38 Ceres, Pallas, Vesta, EM barycenter
M-v 3E Ceres, Pallas, Vesta, Earth, Moon
M-e 78 Ceres, Pallas, Vesta, Eunomia, EM barycenter
M-e 7E Ceres, Pallas, Vesta, Eunomia, Earth, Moon
M-h 39 Ceres, Pallas, Vesta, Hygiea, EM barycenter
The default for Minor Planet Center orbits will henceforth be h (DE403), M-v (coarse) and 38 or 3E (precise, depending on whether the object is an earth-approacher or not). Additional perturbers will be added as necessary.
Hopefully this means that the MPC's elements include perturbations & that they're more accurate than what CNEOS is showing using elements from 2016.
There sure is a lot to learn about these objects. Very fascinating. I have no idea where this thing will be in 4 days.
Phil S.